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A Practical Guide to Conflict Resolution


Some thoughts on criticism

One thing that I do to invite more frank criticism from people is to ask in the frame of "I think I'm bad at X, do you have any specific thoughts or suggestions to help me get better?" (where X is a pretty broad category). This pre-commits to the position that you're bad at it, which gets rid of (most of) the status risk for them in criticizing you.

The Axiological Treadmill

I guess I'm imagining that in a world where we only "barely tolerate" the pain, many people still try to defect over the long run due to psychological buildup, and end up getting killed. Thus there is some pressure to do better than "barely tolerate" at least. I've definitely updated to a model where the shock still produces suffering though; I no longer think the evolutionary pressure would be sufficient to remove the pain entirely.

The key is that evolution would try to find an equilibrium between the reproductive risk of not shocking yourself enough, and the reproductive risk of shocking yourself too much. Since not shocking yourself has much higher consequences on the margin, I expect evolution to bias slightly towards shocking yourself too much.

The Axiological Treadmill

I think of slack in this context like a "tax" on evolution - it doesn't prevent the relevant forces (metaphorically supply and demand) from working, it just limits their speed, and prevents them from approaching a perfect solution with no inefficiency at the limits.

Are there non-AI projects focused on defeating Moloch globally?

An immortal benevolent human dictator isn’t a singleton either. Human cells tend to cooperate to make humans because it tends to be their most effective competitive strategy. The cells in an immortal all powerful human dictator would have a different payoff matrix and would likely start defecting over time.

Are there non-AI projects focused on defeating Moloch globally?

These are interesting parallels (maybe? The unabomber parallel seems odd but I don’t actually know enough about him to critique it properly) But they don’t seem to answer my question. If there is an answer being implied, please spell it out more explicitly. Otherwise maybe this belongs as a comment, not an answer?

Are there non-AI projects focused on defeating Moloch globally?

There aren't many other plausible technological options for things that could defeat moloch.

Why? What about non-technological solutions?

Are there non-AI projects focused on defeating Moloch globally?

This answer is interesting, but underspecified for somebody who’s never heard of this. What is Game B? Where is it? Google just returns a bunch of board game links.

edit: Ah, finally got to https://www.gameb.wiki/

A Brief Chat on World Government
You both seem to be assuming that competitive pressures from other governments is what causes current governments to be stable

Current, yes, but I was explicit that I don't think this is a universal truth. As I wrote, "I think a well constructed world government could survive just fine without competitive pressure".

I definitely think it's true of your example though. If the US government was completely isolated, then the individual states would have a much-reduced incentive to participate in that government, and a much-increased incentive to defect and try and grab more of the pie for themselves. I suspect in the long term of that scenario, the US would dissolve into a collection of smaller competing states.

I think it's misleading to say the competitive pressures themselves cause stability. It's more that they provide the incentive to coordinate effectively, which is what causes stability.

A Brief Chat on World Government

Neither. Governments are effectively defined by wielding monopolistic force, not by citizenship papers.

Social Capital Paradoxes

The implied normative advice, as with all things Moloch, is that we should coordinate to stop [horizontal transmission]. I think I’m just biting the bullet you called “severe and counterintuitive”.

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